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country. they did what they could for america. that meant, in her case, for individual americans, people with real lives to lead, sometimes real challenges. she gave them hope. her name, betty ford, is a name for that hope. that's "hardball" for now, thanks for being with us. more politics ahead with al sharpton. the republican leaders' new plan, proof that they're feeling the heat. tonight mitch mcconnell tells president obama you can make a deal without congress. folks, well, i guess that's better than hiding under his debts desk. and the shocking undercover video that michele bachmann can't escape. we'll have that story. plus texas governor rick perry's meeting with a preacher who says oprah is the harlot of
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babylon. and it's election day in wisconsin. you know what that means. scott walker's republican friends are using some new dirty tricks. welcome to the show. i'm al sharpton. tonight's lead, republicans try to pass the debt buck literally. today mitch mcconnell hatched an amazing plan even for him that would give president obama the power to raise the debt limit without congress. mcconnell's plan would allow the president to do it with zero republican support. it's designed to let the republicans off the hook. >> no question by anyone involved in these discussions that republicans were willing to make tough choices. >> mcconnell has said that he would in fact let the president proceed without the republicans
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in effect. republicans have been feeling the heat as president obama has been making the case, making the case that missing the august 2nd deadline would be catastrophic to everyone. here's what he told cbs news today. can you tell the folks no matter what happens. >> i cannot guarantee that. there may simply not be the money in the coffers to do it. joining me is a guest, but let me say this, i think it's very interesting -- i must say this. it's very interesting to me, with all of the language back and forward, with all of the
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attacks on the president, with all their saying the president showed no leadership and the president needs to come to the table and the president this and the president that, now all of a sudden when the president says that we're at a real critical point they punt. let millennium do it, we'll change some of the rules, we'll make adjustments so that he can do the vote without any republican votes. mean, come on. do they really think americans are that stupid? let me go back to the format of the show. sometimes i have rev moments. joining me is jim clyburn, the number 3 democrat in the house. congress plan, i'm beside myself. what do you think of this new proposal? >> well, thank you so much for having me, reverend sharpton.
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this proposal at least gets them off of this no vote business. we are now seeing the proposal from mitch mcconnell that would hope that mr. reid and others in the senate will take a look at. it allowing for a clean vote on the debt limit. however it has a convoluted process that i think is designed to try to force the president to play a game with them that i don't think the american people are interested in play iing if u want a clean vote, let's have it. if that's conditioned on allowing them to come forth with legislation on certain issues, then that's another thing. >> but, congressman, i think you're always much more diplomatic than me. aren't they just playing games? come on, one minute they're
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saying the president is not showing in leadership, then they have a golf game, then they come back with secret meetings, then they say let's deal with the bigger picture, we have to deal with the have you recall problems. then when the president says, yeah, let's have the big bargain, they say, oops, we don't want to talk 4 trillion, we want to talk smaller. now they say, you do it. >> that's true, i agree with you, but when you try to do legislation as we're trying to do here, there are times you allow for certain face-saving devices to go forward, to maintain a climate of trying to get something done. i think we have the same emotions about this, but my approach is trying to get 218
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votes for the president to move forward with an agenda that i feel is a very solid agenda for the american people. i think what you saw in the last 48 hours, is what the american people saw forth, a man putting forward leadership, and you see a political party now scrambling for a way to get out of the box. >> aren't we seeing a defining moment in terms of leadership for this country? you have a president that says i'm willing to even do some things that will hurt my political base, to try and enter a new level of -- first, they have walked out any number of
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times, now they're kind of punting the move. isn't this a question of leadership as well? >> no question. the president has been forceful. he's been engaged,ed american people can see that. he's laid out a very, i think, thoughtful proposal for us to look at, and he's offered up some of his own sacred cows in doing so. i think the american people saw that the president saw that certain things needed to be put on the table. i think that's why you see this reaction today. they know that 80% of the american people -- and i've seen some of the tracking on this -- feel that the president is acting in earnest and honest on this.
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>> as you say, you have to get 218 votes. and both of us have a role to play. thank you, congressman jim clyburn, from south carolina. thanks so much. >> thanks for having me. the republicans today made it clear. >> that's his problem. we're not going there. >> as long as this president is in the oval office, a real solution is probably unattainable. republicans choose none of the above. >> let's bring in judson phillips, founder of the tea party nation. mr. phillips, you are one of the founders. one of the two major tea party
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organizations. how do you feel by what mcconnell and others are doing now? >> i'm a little outraged by that. what i want the republicans in congress to do and the senate and the house, show a little courage, do what the american people put them in office to do. that's to cut this insane spending. quit the borrowing. we have a debt crisis. how do you get into a debt crisis? you have too much debt. look what's happened in europe? >> how did we get the debt in the first place? >> too much spending. in february the government accounting office said there are hundreds of billions wasted in fraud, duplicate programs or just total waste. where is anyone, democrat or republican, suggesting that
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these items should be cut out of the budget? no one is. we get debt, because we spend too much money, too much on too many stupid things. >> we also do it because we're not having a lot of people paying their fair share of the taxes. look at the bush tax cuts and the amount of this deficit that came as a result of that. wouldn't you say that that is unfair to a lot of -- to the american public and a lot of the people that are concerned about where we are right now? >> when the government is wasting as much money as the government is wasting day in and day out, there's no such thing as anybody paying their fair share. when the government cannot manage what it already has, our tax money is being stolen from us. there's no such thing as somebody paying their fair share. >> so it doesn't bother you, then, that you've got people who are depending on social security, that are depending on medicare and medicaid, that they're being threatened, but
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that those that have the corporate jets and the billionaires, you say it's no big thing, because you don't like how the money is being spent. isn't that really ducking a real decision on leadership, sir? >> no. what bother mess is obama trying to make the end result to be as painful as possible and as form people suffer as possible if an agreement is not reached. >> i fork. making a guy pay a corporate jet pay taxes on the jet is painful, but threatening a grandmother with social security is fine? it's just shared sacrifice, i guess? >> corporate taxes on jets are, what, $230 billion out of a $2.2 trillion budget? come on, give me a break here. that's a joke. that's a talking point. >> give me a break. with you arguing numbers, i'm arguing the fact we're talking about governing. let me give you an example.
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maybe the reason that mr. mcconned and others are backed down because they're reading the way the american people are. the american people are saying they don't want a deal that doesn't have tax cuts involved. 61% say -- 61% say higher taxes and spending cuts. only 27% are saying what you're saying, spending cuts alone. maybe they politicians figured something out, they have to get reelected. the people are not going to reelect people. they talk about shared pain when only one side is hurting. >> there's lies, damn lies and then msnbc polls. give me a break here. there's a reason why nancy pelosi is now the minority leader. the merch people spoke loudly and clearly last november. come next november, the american people will speak loudly and very clearly and they'll make barack obama a one-term president. >> that was a reuters poll, so
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was that a lie? or just you telling another kind of lie? let's go to something you may like. david brooks, a conservative, is he something -- >> brooks a conservative? >> well, everybody thinks so -- >> that's the funniest one i've heard today. >> let me give you another like. brooks says the gop is willing to alienate atate 80% of voter commit political suicide because of its faith in the power of tax policy? that's funny to you? you think david brooks is a liberal now? >> he amuses me to no end. he's not a serious conservative. people on the far left spectrum thinks david is a serious conservative. running on reducing government, not increasing taxes, guess what? the republicans took control of the house of representatives by historic majorities in 2010 and
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came close to taking the senate back from a history low. so, you know, hey, let's bat this one up? >> why did they back up today? why did you say that john boehner ought to resign as speaker? you. i mean, if they did all of this -- >> i do want boehner to resign. >> if they did these historic moves last year, you said boehner should go, you say you're outraged by what they did. are you telling the people that voted for them, they sold them out? brighten up my evening. are you saying now that you've been sold out, you've been bam boozeled? taken? c'mon, judson, what are you saying? >> i say john boehner should step down and let a real conservative extend up. all he wants to do is haul her flag of surrender up, early and often. i'd like to see him do the job that the american people put him in the office to do -- cut spending, cut taxes, stimulate
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the economy. get us out of the obama -- >> who would you like to see as speaker? >> eric cantor is number two, he can step up. paul ryan is not bad. michele bachmann or marsha blackburn, any of them. >> or you would like one of them to replace mr. boehner. all right. i they, you know what? i have a better idea. why don't we have the republicans be replaced next year? you say you put your money on the american people. it's a shame you don't want the billionaires to put their money on the american people. judson phillips, founder of the tea party nation, thank you so much. >> thank you for visiting me. ahead, it's a phrase that may come back to haunt bachmann's campaign. the shocking undercover video that she can't run from is coming up. plus rupered murdock's
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michele bachmann's got a problem. undercover video from inside her husband's christian clinic shows a counselor telling a man to pray away the gay. we'll talk to another youngman who went to the clinic. his story is next.
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there are new questions about the christian counseling clinic run by michele bachmann's husband. undercover video shot by gay rights group, suggests that the clinic tries to cure gays of their homosexual. >> the trust is god has designed our eyes to be attracted to the woman's body. to be attracted to everything, you know, to be attracted to her breasts. >> everything bachmann was questioned about the report, but refused to comment on the methods used. >> what is your opinion on repa repa reparatiff therapy? >> well, i'm running for the presidency of the united states. i'm here today to talk about job creation. we're proud of our business and
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proud of all job creators in the united states. that's what people really care about. >> we know you're running for president of the united states, but what about the clinic? this story was first reported by the nation's magazine's mariah blake. now she joins me along with her is andrew ramirez, who attended the bachmann clinic in 2004, and said his therapist there tried to cure him of his homosexual. mariah blake, tell me about your story, what you found out about this clinic and its connection to taxpayers? i think the thing that is interesting here is we're not talking about something financed by believers in a certain religion or certain feeling. the government aid received by the center, the bachmann & associates christian counseling center, medicaid
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payments of $137,000, federal and state funds to train employees, $24,000. is it possible that some taxpayers are actually funding something that they do not believe in? >> that is correct. it is taxpayer money to a certain degree that is funding the operations of this clinic, and my story presents pretty strong evidence that the clinic does in fact perform reparatiff therapy, and has been largely discredited by the professional organizations representing psychologists in this country. >> when you say they've been discredited by psychologists, what do you mean? give me an example. >> for example, in 2007, the american psychological association looked at the studies dating back to 1960, and found there was scant evidence that sexual orientation can be changed and that there was pretty strong evidence that
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trying to do so could cause psychological harm to patients, including depression and suicidal tendencies. >> what i'm trying to get my head around, people come and bring their kids there to be cured. i mean, and there's government funds going into some of the people that are allegedly counseled, for whatever reason, some of which may be doing this, and this woman's husband is the owner of this, and she's running for president? i mean -- >> well, i think it's important to note this is not just a campaign spouse story. she actually owns the clinic as well. it's also worth noting her husband is her main political adviser and he add marchly denied that his clinic did this
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in 2006. so it raises some questions about his getry as well. >> she and he own it together. he denied it, and people have proven it to be true. well, andrew, you went to the clinic, were you cured? what happened? >> i was not cured. back in 2004, in the summer between my junior and senior in high school, i came out to my parents as gay. after that, they thought i might need some counseling, and thought this was something that could be changed. so i ended up at bachmann & associates. i saw a counselor there. i just remember going there and being very repressed and feeling unsure of what he was going to make me do or have to go to this clinic, and he started off by trying to identify some issues that may have caused me to be
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gay from my childhood, and through ra combination of prayer, studying the bible and mentors with an ex-lesbian who had come out of that lifestyle i could by cured of my homosexuality. >> did your parents bring you there for counseling to deal with whatever they felt you needed counseling for as a child, or as their child, or did they bring you there for the express purposes of curing you from homosexuality? >> they were several others and they were able to, through his counseling, become straight. >> uh-huh. so they were told by the counselor that they could do this, even though the owner of the clinic was denying they do
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this. but you're in fact saying tonight that your parents were told if they put you in there, they would almost guarantee they would get you cured? >> yes. he said that, through his therapy, god could perform a miracle and cure me of homosexuality. >> well, and mariah, you say that federal money, people's money, whether they believe in this or not, is being put into this clinic? >> that is correct. >> again, ms. bachmann is getting monies that i put on the graph. a quick program note, john becker, the activist behind the explosive undercover video will be on "the ed show" tonight as an exclusive guest. tonight at 10:00. ahead, scott walker's republicans in wisconsin are up to the same old dirty tricks
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wisconsin republicans use political dirty tricks to push their agenda. and end up wasting taxpayers'
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money. that's our con job of the day. voters in six states' senate districts head to the polls today. for the first in a series of recall votes. the recalls stem from governor scott walker's antiunion law. six republicans face recalls for supporting the law, while three democrats fates challenges for leaving the state in protest. instead of simply allows the recall, the wisconsin gop encouraged republicans to run as fake democrats. that's right. the party that always claims it's worried about voter fraud for the fake candidates onto the ballot. that made democratic primaries necessary and delayed the recalls. the primaries will cost wisconsin taxpayers nearly $500,000, and by delaying the recall, republicans get more time to pass a redistricting
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welcome back to the show. now to discuss some of day's biggest political stories, we bring on our power panel. joining mess syndicated columnist bob franken, democratic communication consultant jamal simmons, and former republican congressman ernie istook, now with the heritage foundation. our first question, is rick perry courting apostles of intolerance? the texas governor recently called for americans to join him on august 6th for a day of prayer.
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>> with the economy in trouble, communities in crisis, people adrift in a sea of relativism, we need god's help. that's why i'm calling on americans to pray and fast like jesus did. >> but right-wing watchers have discovered that some of the so-called messengers of god supporting the day of worship are actually preachers of hate. just listen. >> do you know there's a statue in new york harbor called the statue of liberty? folks, listen that's a demonic idol right there in the middle of new york harbor. >> liberals hate god. liberals hate religion. liberals hate faith. liberals hate christianity. >> harlot babylon is preparing the nations. i believe one of the main pastors as a forerunner to the harlot moment is oprah.
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>> jamal, help me, please. oprah is the antichrist? can perry really seek support from people with views like this? >> they're anti-statue of liberty, anti-oprah. what else? motherhood? apple pie? how far does it go down the line? nothing wrong with rick perry saying we should have a day of prayer. all of us could probably stand that from time to time, but for the governor of texas, one, to be endorsing religion so openly, he's got to be careful about that. number two, associating with these people who are clearly off their rocker, is something that calls perry's judgment into question. if he thinks he's going to be president hanging out with this crowd, he has something else coming. >> let me ask you, mr. istook -- i'm a minister i believe prayer
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is a good thing, but the bible talks about prayer and works. i mean, what's going to happen when they come back? will they continue this kind of divisive language? >> you have groups that you pay a lot of money to research and you yourself are no stranger to saying outrageous things. but when you talk about who do you associate with? remember we're talking about religion. jesus himself associated with sinners, so if we want to say this is the most outrageous thing anyone has said, that's one thing, but you could find occasions where they have helped to feed the hungry, house the homeless, so forth. this is selective tunnel vision that's done to further a political agenda. i think these videos were put together by people for the american way. don't tell me they don't have a
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political agenda. >> it was done by the right wing watch. >> yeah, that's part of people for the american way, if you look at the website. >> but whether people say things we consider outrageous or you or me, people are questioned about their soeshz and they have to after that. all of us have said things that people who identify with us have to answer that. are we say that rick perry shouldn't have to answer that? we're not talking about 20 years ago. we're talking about their current positions. >> first of all, i wondered what it was about oprah, but beyond that, let's forget for the moment some of the extremes on the fringes that we have just identified here. let's talk about the sponsoring organization of this rick perry prayer rally. it is the american family association that has been identified by the southern poverty law center as an anti-gay hate group. that is the fundamental sponsor here. so we're not talking about just
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the fringes. we're talking about an organization that has very extreme agenda. in addition to which when ernie makes the point about praying to jesus christ, there are an awful lot of americans who in fact don't believe in jesus christ and don't pray to him, and they really deserve, when you're going to have a government official trying to put together a quasi government event that it should be honoring the first amendment. >> and i think that people -- >> can i talk about that? >> people have the right to believe or don't, don't you believe that, congressman? >> should president obama have boycotted the national prayer breakfast which other presidents have also appeared at which has christian groups. >> he boycotted? >> i'm saying should he have? he didn't. like i've said, you've said a ton the controversial things, i'm not afraid of being seen on the same program with you, and i'm in recovery -- >> first of all, we could argue that, but second of all, if i
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said the most outrageous things, which i would say i didn't, but if you want to keep going into that, that still does not mean if i stand with someone and someone says that i'm going to have him lead the prayer, they would have to then defend why not him? so that's not a defense to why this man called oprah an antichrist. the answer is not i think al sharpton said something. come on, you're smarter than that. >> sure i am action and you're emphasizing the most controversial things that people, for the purpose of trying to gin up outrage rather than looking at the totality. >> so they were trying to gin up outrage as calling oprah the antichrist. >> and -- >> i'm showing you what a guy said. >> sure. >> a guy that's talking about running for president. >> that's pretty outrageous claiming that oprah is the antichrist. i'll agree with you on that.
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>> thank you so much. i feel better. now that we have you on a role. george bush has been charged by some as a commander in war crimes. today human rights watch issued a report, saying the bush administration should be investigated for perpetrating war crimes. president bush, vice president chen yes, former defense secretary rumsfeld, and former cia director george tenet were all called out. straight from the horse's mouth on using methods like torture, like waterboarding. >> i said to the team are the techniques team? a legal team says yes, they are. i said, use them. those techniques saved lives. >> we also have to work the dark side, if you will, spend time in the shadows 234 the intelligence world.
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>> ernie, is president bush a war criminal? >> no, i think there are groups, however, until the day the man dies and for years thereafter, will still be trying to make these accusations. these are tough calls that people make, when you're trying to get intelligence against foes, who have no respect for human life, who sent children and women as well as men as suicide bombers into situations, trying to kill people. these are a bunch of tough decisions that people made in this regard, trying to cure the safety of us here in the homeland. these were tough calls, and i realize they will always be controversial, but that doesn't mean these people were war criminals. >> al, al, ernie is making the same point that was made during all the bush years, which was really an expedient way to explain abandonment of american values. having said that, the danger always is that when a new administration comes in and
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another one leaves power, that it would have to worry about having vulnerable to programs a politically motivated prosecution for war crimes and the like. that is a problem. however, i will have to take issue, as we probably should have done more emphatically during the bush years, with these easy facile explanation. >> thank you, gentlemen, we have to go. up ahead, the fire under rupert murdoch won't go away. new allegations emerge, as theory sick. and arizona's sheriff joe arpaio comes clean. he settled a case. is that an admission? i'm going to go head to head with the sheriff, live tonight. [ crunch ] look!
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the british phone-hacking story has shaken the empire of fox news owner rupered murdock to the core. parliament will grill murdoch next week. news corp has lost $7 billion in market value in just four days. joining me now is julise hoch p
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how are you elise? >> i'm doing great, reverend. how are you? >> how has this grown? it seemed like it was big. now it looks like it's all over the place. it's hitting mural talk in the pocket. >> i think the three most interesting developments are that shareholders have amended their suit that they had already filed for nepotism charges to say that the complete culture of corruption and mismanagement of the phone-hacking scandal will cost shareholders a lot of money, amalgamated bank is the lead filer on that claim. everyone from eliot spitzer to the main ethics group in washington is calling for congress to get involved. a new thing came up today which
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is, in the states we can prosecute both james murdoch individually as well as the company as a whole, because it is a u.s. listed company under something we call the foreign corrupt practices act. we've used it before. >> so they could be prosecuted here. >> absolutely. >> with the falling stock, is it possible that they would have to get rid of mir their american holdings, like some of the newspapers or even in effect fox news? >> i don't think they're moving to that level of concern quite yet. you have to understand this is still one of the richest media moguls in the entire world. what it does mean is they have made a grab to keep the stock from falling more. they're buying back up their own shares, and that locks up more of that capital, capital that shareholders quite honestly probably want to see being used to go towards the defense of the company. >> elise, thanks very much.
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this past week we've seen a major victory against conservatives who think racial profiling can be a tool in their fight against immigration. arizona sheriff joe arpaio agreed to pay $200,000 to settle a lawsuit brought by two men accusing deputies of racial profiling. the two men were handcuffed during a raid. it turned out one was a u.s. citizen and the other a legal resident. in april, the federal judge ruled that the sheriff's office violated the constitutional right. joining me now is sheriff joe arpaio. how are you tonight? >> it's arpaio.
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my mother and family came from italy. >> i'm sorry. thank you. you and i, sheriff arpaio, have you had arguments before and you've corrected me on your name before, but i've tried to correct you on racial profiling, but it looks like maybe you're understanding it now, because you just made a settlement. what surprised me, all of us make mistakes. i've made mine and apologized, but if i believe in something, i stood by it. let me show you something that you told me you believed in and why i was surprised when i heard you made this settlement. watch you and i on a discussion right on this station. >> the obam that administration sends civil rights people down to determine whether -- they've been a year and a half, reverend, and nothing has been found. >> okay -- >> >> so the obama administration sent people down about civil rights, nothing was
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found, but now you just settled a case where you paid the guys $200,000. is something found now? >> i didn't pay anything. that was the county settles, each person got $30,000, the lawyers and aclu got the rest. it was detaining these two guys when we were raiding a business, arrested 60 people here illegally working in the workplace, and had false identification. unfortunately i have to admit that we could not identify the two deputies, or one deputy that put the handcuffs on these two subjects, and we didn't have the witnesses. >> one was a citizen, the other was a legal resident. they were profiled. rather than go to trial, you settled, you didn't denounce the settlement. you're right, it didn't cost you any moan personally, it cost the county money.
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in fact you've been costing the county a lot of money. they've had more lawsuits in your county that this combined in many cities. look at $a million you cost, 6,300 claims and lawsuits. it doesn't cost you any money. >> wait a minute. >> that's a lot of money. >> oh, come on. 61,000 inmates, 43 lawsuits. come on, in your county, 2,150 lawsuits with only 9,200 inmates. how do you explain that? >> well, first of all you're going back on statistics. i don't know what you're reading. it's not $50 million. it's about $22 million sin i became sheriff. >> it's about what? >> $22 million since i became sheriff almost 20 years ago. look at other departments, what they pay out. you know, you sued the new york
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police, i presume -- >> you presume, but i'm not presuming. i am telling you. >> did you or did you not? >> let's stick with the hard facts here. $200,000 on racial profiling, all of this money. sheriff joe, can't you admit that there's profiling going on, the all-stars are there, your whole county is looked on around this country, can't we understand that everybody cannot be judged in different standards -- >> no -- >> you cannot say somebody looks a certain way they are a criminal suspect. that's a threat to americans. >> we don't do it, al -- >> what was the lawsuit -- >> are you going to let me finish. >> you go ahead. >> are you going to let me talk. >> if you're going to address the lawsuit. >> you were here two years ago leading thousands of people against me for my immigration fight, and then we had a nice
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talk in my office, and i think we resolved some of these problems, now you bring it up again. >> we disagreed when i left your office, i was back last year, and led thousands more, but none of that has anything to do with the county settling. you had the opportunity to go to court and prove in court this was not profiling. the county had an opportunity to say sheriff joe was right, people like sharpton are making this up. you settled. >> it is not profiling. >> you settled, sheriff joe. thank you for your time always. >> well, get the story straight. >> of course. >> okay. >> and you got the lawsuit straight. you settled it. thanks for your time. >> well -- thanks for watching. i'm al sharpton tonight. i want you to remember that, whether you agree with me or disagree with me, i'm going to always shoot straight with how i feel and let it all fly. if you have any questions or comments,